tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post5404829479566992190..comments2024-03-19T07:35:17.766+00:00Comments on Turnip Rail: One Railway's Fight Against Trams...With No MoneyDavid Turnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01017077771376316618noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post-26486599627192831472011-08-18T16:43:25.570+01:002011-08-18T16:43:25.570+01:00No. That will probably be useful though. My real...No. That will probably be useful though. My real focus is going to be on the organisational side, but knowing something about these aspects is useful too. One would expect trams to be a much bigger competitive threat to trains on Merseyside and Tyneside than in London though, because the distances covered were shorter.K D Tennenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09233962626984386906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post-8193133611489535812011-08-18T16:35:29.638+01:002011-08-18T16:35:29.638+01:00Well, naturally there is the whole question as to ...Well, naturally there is the whole question as to the length of the journey and whether people really went 'up to town' on the trams and instead used the trains. The loss on the Hounslow route seems to be termed, in the literature at least, to be only between Brentford and Hounslow. But I cannot be sure. The stats are simply not there to understand where exactly the railway company was loosing money and passengers. Question: Have you read Irving's paper on electrification and capital on the NER/L&NWR from BH in 1971? May be worth a look.David Turnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01017077771376316618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post-42469237689799635912011-08-18T16:12:14.140+01:002011-08-18T16:12:14.140+01:00Interesting, that's the sort of issue I might ...Interesting, that's the sort of issue I might be interested in when I get to work on trams. Its interesting that people would tolerate a presumably quite long tram journey into London over a reasonably rapid railway journey just to save a short walk.K D Tennenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09233962626984386906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post-86373522850532103332011-08-18T15:24:59.449+01:002011-08-18T15:24:59.449+01:00No, I don't think that trams were faster, just...No, I don't think that trams were faster, just more convenient and cheaper. I cannot really be sure what the key selling point, but considering that they took much of the L&SWR's business it may be a combination of both. The problem that I have is that there isn't a schedule of charges available for L&SWR routes and I do not have one for the trams. I am, however, hoping to go to the London Metropolitan Archives at some point, where the LUT files are kept. So perhaps I can get their point of view.David Turnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01017077771376316618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6471329571766916686.post-20148540429123037062011-08-18T10:43:43.859+01:002011-08-18T10:43:43.859+01:00Good post. I guess the railway had the last laugh...Good post. I guess the railway had the last laugh around there though! Is there any evidence that the trams were faster than the railway, or is it just that people had to walk less to use them and they were cheaper?K D Tennenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09233962626984386906noreply@blogger.com